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Latchford man jailed for four years for setting up Facebook riot page

5:11pm Tuesday 16th August 2011 in News

Perry Sutcliffe-Keenan Perry Sutcliffe-Keenan

A MAN has been jailed for four years after setting up a Facebook page encouraging a riot in Warrington.

Perry Sutcliffe-Keenan, aged 22, of Richmond Avenue, Latchford, was due to be sentenced at Chester Crown Court in September.

But Recorder of Chester Elgan Edwards jailed him today because of the seriousness of the crime.

He praised the swift actions of Cheshire Police and said he hoped the sentences would act as a deterrent to others.

Keenan, who referred to himself as Pezz on the Facebook page, was sentenced alongside Jordan Blackshaw from Northwich - who was also jailed for four years.

He admitted the offence of inciting public disorder.

Assistant Chief Constable Phil Thompson said: "If we cast our minds back just a few days to last week and recall the way in which technology was used to spread incitement and bring people together to commit acts of criminality it is easy to understand the four year sentences that were handed down in court today.

"In Cheshire, we quickly recognised the impact of the situation on our communities and the way in which social media was being used to promote and incite behaviour that would strike fear in to the hearts of our communities.

"From the offset Cheshire Constabulary adopted a robust policing approach using the information coming into the organisation to move quickly and effectively against any person whose behaviour was likely to encourage criminality.

"Officers took swift action against those people who have been using Facebook and other social media sites to incite disorder.

"The sentences passed down today recognise how technology can be abused to incite criminal activity and sends a strong message to potential troublemakers about the extent to which ordinary people value safety and order in their lives and their communities.

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Anyone who seeks to undermine that will face the full force of the law.”

Martin McRobb, crown advocate for CPS Mersey-Cheshire said: “Jordan Blackshaw, 21 and Perry Sutcliffe, 22, independently and from the safety of their homes may have thought that it would be acceptable to set up a Facebook page to incite others to take part in disorders in Cheshire.

"They were wrong and were both sentenced today to four years’ imprisonment at Chester Crown Court, after pleading guilty to intentionally encouraging another to assist the commission of an indictable offence under sections 44 and 46 of the Serious Crime Act 2007.

“They both used Facebook to organise and orchestrate serious disorder at a time when such incidents were taking place in other parts of the country.

"Both defendants, in Northwich and Warrington respectively, sought to gain widespread support in order to replicate similar criminality.

"In investigating these cases, the Cheshire Constabulary acted very swiftly and effectively to close down these websites and to ensure that there was no actual participation in the planned events.

"Nevertheless, these posts caused significant panic and revulsion in local communities as rumours of anticipated violence spread.

“The Crown Prosecution Service worked very closely with the police and Cheshire Crown Court to bring forward preliminary hearing dates that had initially been listed on September 19.

"We were able to serve upon the defence in both cases sufficient case material that led to early guilty pleas and we were able to present the facts in both cases in a fair but robust manner.

“While the judge heard the two defendants were previously of good character, they admitted committing very serious offences that carry a maximum sentence of 10 years. The consequence of their actions could have led to more disorder and this was taken into account.”

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SickAndTired2 says...
6:24pm Tue 16 Aug 11

How much of a weapons grade idiot do you feel today chump!!!

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frank100 says...
6:33pm Tue 16 Aug 11

I can guarantee this sentence will not stand.He will appeal it and he will be out in a few months.Yes he was an idiot for what he done...but 4 years...come on,people get less for manslaughter.its laughable really.

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moleogod says...
6:34pm Tue 16 Aug 11

ha little riot fanboy

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local_mouth says...
7:12pm Tue 16 Aug 11

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA......that is all!!!

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Mostofus says...
8:49pm Tue 16 Aug 11

What a clown, at last, some justice has been served; society doesn't need Muppets like him, starting trouble, like the world hasn't already got enough.
How proud your parents must be....Not

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resident*1 says...
9:55pm Tue 16 Aug 11

So sad, too bad, bye bye!

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toffeeman_4ever says...
10:27pm Tue 16 Aug 11

as funny as this has transpired..........
the length of sentence is a bit silly. Theres nothing like a pathetic person doing something pathetic on a social networking site, but i'm used to reading about people being battered half dead and their assailent getting a community order. Very political sentence. But thats what you get when you vote them idiots in, ooops we didnt!!!!! anyway, i wont lose any sleep over this!!!!!! Hahaha!

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Sic Sac says...
10:28pm Tue 16 Aug 11

That is complete crap. I don't agree with inciting riots, but to jail him for 4 YEARS!? He shouldn't receive ANY punishment at all since he didn't do anything!! He used his freedom of speech to tell others to riot, there's no proof he did any rioting himself. This kind of treatment of citizens is similar to what China would do and it's completely unacceptable.

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SickAndTired2 says...
11:35pm Tue 16 Aug 11

I agree about the disproportionate size of the sentence when you consider that real crimes with real victims seem to often go under punished...

The biggest crime this man is guilty of is being a pillock.

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SickAndTired2 says...
11:35pm Tue 16 Aug 11

I agree about the disproportionate size of the sentence when you consider that real crimes with real victims seem to often go under punished...

The biggest crime this man is guilty of is being a pillock.

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widnesman says...
12:09am Wed 17 Aug 11

Life is not a laugh!
When you react in this way to to civil disorder happening in other parts of the country, don`t expect a soft ride when you appear in court!!!

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warrington dad says...
12:40am Wed 17 Aug 11

Although the sentence may seem harsh, what he did had the potential to be explosive. The large amount of people who use facebook would have seen this, and then posted and there friends would have seen it and so on. Can you imagine, having your shop/home that you have worked hard for destroyed by mindless yobs? Look at the amount of people who were hurt or killed as a result of the riots elsewhere. He may be a pillock, but if the goverment dont send out a message, then it will continue.

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warrington_biker says...
6:44am Wed 17 Aug 11

Looks like the kind of person that would last in prison too.. haha!

He wont be doing that again, thats for sure!

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Thousandyardstare says...
8:03am Wed 17 Aug 11

SickAndTired2 wrote:
How much of a weapons grade idiot do you feel today chump!!!
Fiat Justitia!

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moleogod says...
8:26am Wed 17 Aug 11

as i understand this was not there first crime by any means they have previous. and.....Sic Sac... he tried to insight a riot bringing not just people from warrington but from surrounding areas with one sole purpose. he might of been the catalyst to inocent people being hurt or even killed. its a simple choice between right and wrong even my young son knows the diffrence. they made a choice. yes the sentence is much more than other people who have commited a physical crime. but dont worry mummy & daddy are properly trying to appeal for a learner sentence already for the poor little lamb ha. idiot announcing a crime to thousands

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moleogod says...
8:26am Wed 17 Aug 11

as i understand this was not there first crime by any means they have previous. and.....Sic Sac... he tried to insight a riot bringing not just people from warrington but from surrounding areas with one sole purpose. he might of been the catalyst to inocent people being hurt or even killed. its a simple choice between right and wrong even my young son knows the diffrence. they made a choice. yes the sentence is much more than other people who have commited a physical crime. but dont worry mummy & daddy are properly trying to appeal for a learner sentence already for the poor little lamb ha. idiot announcing a crime to thousands

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nicole morris says...
8:32am Wed 17 Aug 11

this is riddiculous the man steven whittle earlier in the week battered an killed a man and only got seven years. and these unthoughtful youths get 4 the british justice system is ****.

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SickAndTired2 says...
8:33am Wed 17 Aug 11

warrington dad wrote:
Although the sentence may seem harsh, what he did had the potential to be explosive. The large amount of people who use facebook would have seen this, and then posted and there friends would have seen it and so on. Can you imagine, having your shop/home that you have worked hard for destroyed by mindless yobs? Look at the amount of people who were hurt or killed as a result of the riots elsewhere. He may be a pillock, but if the goverment dont send out a message, then it will continue.
Oh I don't disagree with the sentence, but it does make you wonder why people who actually carry out crimes where there are serious victims don't get similarly harsh treatment..

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moleogod says...
8:43am Wed 17 Aug 11

judge said he was setting an example simple. thats all there is to the long sentence. if little sh%ts know they can get away with it, with no repercussions they will keep on pushing it. this might make them think twice in futur. but that wholey depends on if they are even capable of thought

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richiepooh says...
10:11am Wed 17 Aug 11

4 years seems harsh, but even without appeal that means he'll be out in TWO, that seems about right to me, it was only through LUCK like minded idiots didn't take him up on his scheme. SicSac, freedom of speech would be to say "I support the actions of the rioters" which he would have basic rights to do so... organizing an assembly of thugs to cause havoc, harm,steal and damage which could lead to deaths is incitement to riot and has no connection with FOS. Its no different from planning a murder, intent is the crime. People go to jail for things they don't intend to do, eg death my reckless driving, no intent there but stupidity is not an excuse. incidentally my spamcheck words below are "foot-that" very apt rhyming slang.

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old-codger says...
10:20am Wed 17 Aug 11

These retards should have been given two years at the most. They would be out after eight months on a tag. They wanted others to do the dirty work while they sat at home on their computers. Comments like ( they didnt do anything ) show just how sick some people are.

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richiepooh says...
11:05am Wed 17 Aug 11

4 years seems harsh, but even without appeal that means he'll be out in TWO, that seems about right to me, it was only through LUCK like minded idiots didn't take him up on his scheme. SicSac, freedom of speech would be to say "I support the actions of the rioters" which he would have basic rights to do so... organizing an assembly of thugs to cause havoc, harm,steal and damage which could lead to deaths is incitement to riot and has no connection with FOS. Its no different from planning a murder, intent is the crime. People go to jail for things they don't intend to do, eg death my reckless driving, no intent there but stupidity is not an excuse. incidentally my spamcheck words below are "foot-that" very apt rhyming slang.

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A_view says...
12:32pm Wed 17 Aug 11

Im happy with the sentence, though how effective a deterant it will be is debateable. Is prison the punishment it once was? I fear not. Food, is cooked on site in prison kitchens with fresh produce. Unlike most hospitals and OAP homes. Free membership to well equiped prison gyms is available to all, and is used by around 70% of our prison population. Free priviledges are far higher than those of our serving lads in Afghanistan. (Prisoners have more free phone calls home than lads on the front line) All prisoners have access to education and training packages. Oh and drugs are delivered to your door! (How that happens is beyond me, apart from yet more corrupt staff in positions of trust!) Is any one of these scallies actually going to be put to work cleaning up the mess they created? Tough sentencing maybe, tough punishment its not.

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A_view says...
12:38pm Wed 17 Aug 11

Im happy with the sentence, though how effective a deterant it will be is debateable. Is prison the punishment it once was? I fear not. Food, is cooked on site in prison kitchens with fresh produce. Unlike most hospitals and OAP homes. Free membership to well equiped prison gyms is available to all, and is used by around 70% of our prison population. Free priviledges are far higher than those of our serving lads in Afghanistan. (Prisoners have more free phone calls home than lads on the front line) All prisoners have access to education and training packages. Oh and drugs are delivered to your door! (How that happens is beyond me, apart from yet more corrupt staff in positions of trust!) Is any one of these scallies actually going to be put to work cleaning up the mess they created? Tough sentencing maybe, tough punishment its not.

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notatcreamfields says...
1:07pm Wed 17 Aug 11

I can't believe what i'm reading! Never though the Guardian website was so full of lefties! Inciting a riot is a serious crime and the families of the 3 fellas who were killed in Birmingham just for protecting what they worked hard for or people burnt out of thier homes go London thanks to similar fools arranging looting would disagree the sentence was to harsh. Hopefully a situation of country wide thuggery will never happen but if it does and some little tit does a quick google search and these fools sentences comes up and it prevents him (or her, got to keep it PC for the lefties on here) sees this and it deters them than it's done it's job. Personally if i was to make an example of them i'd give them more than 40% of the time i could've given to them. It's very likely that many readers of the Guardians lives and business's could've been destroyed had it not been for the majority of good people reporting the idiots to the police and the web page closed down before the criminals woke up from a night of burgling and getting drunk or drugged up!

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Arktos says...
4:34pm Wed 17 Aug 11

frank100 wrote:
I can guarantee this sentence will not stand.He will appeal it and he will be out in a few months.Yes he was an idiot for what he done...but 4 years...come on,people get less for manslaughter.its laughable really.
The sentence should stand - these were people who pleaded guilty and were given a sentence within court guidelines - the BBC has it that 'The Crown Prosecution Service said the offences committed carried maximum sentences of 10 years'

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Arktos says...
4:34pm Wed 17 Aug 11

The sentence should stand - these were people who pleaded guilty and were given a sentence within court guidelines - the BBC has it that 'The Crown Prosecution Service said the offences committed carried maximum sentences of 10 years'

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Arktos says...
4:34pm Wed 17 Aug 11

The sentence should stand - these were people who pleaded guilty and were given a sentence within court guidelines - the BBC has it that 'The Crown Prosecution Service said the offences committed carried maximum sentences of 10 years'

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old-codger says...
5:57pm Wed 17 Aug 11

I never once doubted the severity of the sentence they would recieve, On the day they were arrested I said they would get four years and start crying about it, They got four years and they are crying about it. Its about time someone showed these yobs that they cant go through life planning to ruin all what other people have worked all their lives for. I wont lose any sleep over them. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

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Freeborn John says...
6:23pm Wed 17 Aug 11

If they've got four years jail time to give away they should give the next four ****heads who put someone in hospital on Bridge St twelve months each instead of wasting it on this turkey.

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Freeborn John says...
6:23pm Wed 17 Aug 11

If they've got four years jail time to give away they should give the next four ****heads who put someone in hospital on Bridge St twelve months each instead of wasting it on this turkey.

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Freeborn John says...
6:24pm Wed 17 Aug 11

If they've got four years jail time to give away they should give the next four ****heads who put someone in hospital on Bridge St twelve months each instead of wasting it on this turkey.

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ffsgetalife says...
6:58pm Wed 17 Aug 11

Old-codger- you used the word retard...define that word if you will??

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old-codger says...
8:30pm Wed 17 Aug 11

Instead of nit picking take note of whats going on all around you..???

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ffsgetalife says...
8:36pm Wed 17 Aug 11

retard is a very offensive turn of phrase. If you are commenting on here you need to be respectful!

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old-codger says...
8:38pm Wed 17 Aug 11

I agree it is, I,m sorry, But the conversation is about the four year sentence and not about my bad use of english,

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ffsgetalife says...
8:45pm Wed 17 Aug 11

tbh old codger I agree with your post...eternity is not enough as far as I am concerned for thugs, paedophiles and murderers. I have a child with special needs and retard is a term used by the ignorant to people like him so you can understand I find it upsetting. People like him would not dream of behaving like these thugs. Thank you for your apology tho. :)

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notatcreamfields says...
8:56pm Wed 17 Aug 11

Lol thanks for proving my point about the leftie PC liberals on here, retard is a word that's in the dictionary and infact my cousin is mentally retarded so why do you yourself find is so offensive? Maybe if the country hadn't fallen foul to this extreme leftism then the "events" of last week resulting in 3 people in Birmingham dying for protecting their business would still be alive. Don't even apologise old codger that was your description of how you feel about these fools and that's why we have free speech, it's not just the hook handed Muslim preacher who can use free speech we all can. In fact it probably should ffsgetalife be apologising to you for trying to make you feel bad for your view! You leftie PC crew get right up my nose, you've not got a clue of how much you've damaged England to the point that councils are asking people to take their Georges cross down (our given right to fly my i add) because they say it offends foreigners! 100% of my non-white friends say it doesn't offend them at all and they to fly it so i'd like to know who the leftie PC idiots say it offends?

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notatcreamfields says...
8:58pm Wed 17 Aug 11

Lol thanks for proving my point about the leftie PC liberals on here, retard is a word that's in the dictionary and infact my cousin is mentally retarded so why do you yourself find is so offensive? Maybe if the country hadn't fallen foul to this extreme leftism then the "events" of last week resulting in 3 people in Birmingham dying for protecting their business would still be alive. Don't even apologise old codger that was your description of how you feel about these fools and that's why we have free speech, it's not just the hook handed Muslim preacher who can use free speech we all can. In fact it probably should ffsgetalife be apologising to you for trying to make you feel bad for your view! You leftie PC crew get right up my nose, you've not got a clue of how much you've damaged England to the point that councils are asking people to take their Georges cross down (our given right to fly my i add) because they say it offends foreigners! 100% of my non-white friends say it doesn't offend them at all and they to fly it so i'd like to know who the leftie PC idiots say it offends?

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ffsgetalife says...
9:05pm Wed 17 Aug 11

I am not a leftie pc idiot thanks very much. I am a parent of a child with SEN, who also works with SEN and mentally retarded and handicapped are offensive words. I did not ask old codger to apologise but appreciated the fact that he did. I agree if we had a decent governmental system, this country would not be in the mess it is currently in. I also agree that we should fly the George Cross, Union Standard et al and MY Muslim friends are not offended either. I merely asked him to define the word he had used....do you like your relative tarred with the same brush as the rioters and murderers?? So jump off your little soapbox and stop trying to psychoanalyse someone you do not know.

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Jake55 says...
10:32pm Wed 17 Aug 11

Shame on you all. Two young men did a stupid thing and fortunately no one was hurt as a result. And you are saying their lives should be ruined for it. Is this some fear reaction? I live in south London and had to face the riots that people in Warrington only had to fear - and I did not lose my humanity like this. Bottles flew over my head on their way to police vans but I did not want to ruin the lives of those people. Young people who do stupid things that don't end up hurting anyone should get a slap on the wrist and warned not to do it again. That is what most of you thought a few months ago and that is what most of you, I hope, will think in a few months time. What I see here is a mob mentality that will destroy the lives of people who just did something a bit stupid. You need to snap out of it. You need to remember your compassion, think as individuals again. You are better than this.

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Jake55 says...
10:33pm Wed 17 Aug 11

Shame on you all. Two young men did a stupid thing and fortunately no one was hurt as a result. And you are saying their lives should be ruined for it. Is this some fear reaction? I live in south London and had to face the riots that people in Warrington only had to fear - and I did not lose my humanity like this. Bottles flew over my head on their way to police vans but I did not want to ruin the lives of those people. Young people who do stupid things that don't end up hurting anyone should get a slap on the wrist and warned not to do it again. That is what most of you thought a few months ago and that is what most of you, I hope, will think in a few months time. What I see here is a mob mentality that will destroy the lives of people who just did something a bit stupid. You need to snap out of it. You need to remember your compassion, you need to think as individuals again. You are better than this.

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Cleopatra says...
10:45pm Wed 17 Aug 11

"councils are asking people to take their Georges cross down (our given right to fly my i add) because they say it offends foreigners!"
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What a load of pc crap!
If any council or councillor told me to take down my Flag of
England, of which I am proud, given that I am British, because foriegners are offended by it I would certainly tell them what they can go and do!
When we brits visit foreign countries we see their flags flying proudly. If we dared to ask them to take them down because they offend us, I'm sure we would find ourselves back on rhe next plane to Britain.
These pc nuts who come up with these ideas should be totally ignored and told to go away. These are people with too much time on their hands who get an idea in their head and twist it around and around in their minds till they convince themselves that somebody will be offended.
Sorry this is nothing to do with the thing that was jailed for 4 years but I just felt I needed to address that particular remark.

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Cleopatra says...
10:53pm Wed 17 Aug 11

Jake, go away. It's liberal people like you who have helped to put this country in the state it is in today.
It is not an matter of two young people doind a stupid thing as you say.
It was two young people trying to cause a riot in my town and had they succeeded heaven only knows the devestation it would have caused so NO, it's not a matter of two young people having a jolly jape!

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Jake55 says...
7:26am Thu 18 Aug 11

Cleopatra, I am not even remotely a liberal. Stop being hysterical about something that never happened, stop being so scared, stop whining like everything you love was about to be taken away. It wasn't. Grow a backbone. Get a grip.

There is nothing nice about what people do when they are in a mob. Nasty things happened during the riots. What I see in response is another mob. Frankly I don't think any of you have a leg to stand on. You're hypocrites - just as ready to destroy people's lives as the aggressive rioters.

Please stop.

I will leave you with a quote from a well-known liberal (or that's how you would describe him if he was posting here):

"Let him who is without sin cast the first stone" - Jesus of Nazareth

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silverlady54 says...
9:25am Thu 18 Aug 11

These sentences were given as being a part of the whole situation, not in isolation, because of the serious impact a riot could have had. It is time that people realised they must take responsibility for their actions and that their actions can have devastating consequences.. Incitement to rioting is not a joke, especially in the context of what else had been happening in other towns. Whether or not it actually happened is irrelevant and possibly these sentences will make people think twice before doing things like this again.

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Cleopatra says...
9:30am Thu 18 Aug 11

Jake, lovey, you wrote a very silly post. I can assure you that I am not scared, I am not whining, I have a very firm backbone and an even firmer grip.
Now let me put you straight on another matter, what you are seeing is not another mob. What you are seeing is people expressing their views and opinionn, as we are entitled to, and no amount of bible bashing is going to stop us.
Further more the only people destroying their lives are the convicted wrong doers themselves so please take your goody-goody attitude and go away.

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Cleopatra says...
9:37am Thu 18 Aug 11

Jake, lovey, you wrote a very silly post. I can assure you that I am not scared, I am not whining, I have a very firm backbone and an even firmer grip.
Now let me put you straight on another matter, what you are seeing is not another mob. What you are seeing is people expressing their views and opinionn, as we are entitled to, and no amount of bible bashing is going to stop us.
Further more the only people destroying their lives are the convicted wrong doers themselves so please take your goody-goody attitude and go away.

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ffsgetalife says...
9:54am Thu 18 Aug 11

silver lady - very well said.
cleopatra very well said also...religion causes more arguments than any other topic Jake so it may be wise not to start yet another topic on here :)

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frank100 says...
10:13am Thu 18 Aug 11

This sentence has tory inteference written all over it.Either Cameron or May have had a quiet word with the judge before this went to court.

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frank100 says...
10:15am Thu 18 Aug 11

This sentence has Cameron and Mays dirty paws all over it.

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frank100 says...
10:16am Thu 18 Aug 11

whats going on with the posts on here lately????? loads of double posts......

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silverlady54 says...
12:23pm Thu 18 Aug 11

The sentences were given as a result of due process of law. Judges are bound by sentencing rules and are independent. It is facile to suggest that ministers could influence sentencing just because you don't approve of the outcome!

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frank100 says...
1:06pm Thu 18 Aug 11

Due process of the law....some people where born gullible....lol!

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silverlady54 says...
1:28pm Thu 18 Aug 11

frank100 wrote:
Due process of the law....some people where born gullible....lol!
where born??

In point of fact, judges are bound by rules when sentencing. If you are disputing this then you should take that up with the Judiciary, not me.

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A_view says...
1:45pm Thu 18 Aug 11

Jake, Frank, since when did these lads become victims? Incitement to cause a criminal act is a criminal offence. As it should be. Secondly, Jake, if your going to quote Our Lord, please use His quote as he intended. The "He who is without sin..." passage refers to the stoning of an adulteress. He then turned to her and stated "Go. And sin no more". And she did. Led a great sin free life for the rest of her days.

Sadly, when scallies get to the stage of prison sentences, theyve been given 100s of previous 'let offs', with the "Go and sin no more" speech. More often than not they respond with, "yeh course I wont. Promise. Thanks!". Lets hope prison gets the message through to them, as thats exactly what this punishment is intended for.

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frank100 says...
2:29pm Thu 18 Aug 11

at no point did i say they were victims?????

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LFC-JFT96-YNWA says...
10:35pm Thu 18 Aug 11

Well thats one less drug dealer in Latchford, he was notorious for selling crack, cocaine, and heroin. Good riddence to him, dealers like him ruin peoples lives selling that crap.

To add to what the post is actually about, he deserved every single day of that 4 year sentence he got, if the riot he tried to start had actually gone down then this town would have been ruined by it, nice friendly, family run buisness' would have probably been looted and burn't to the ground, and peoples livelyhoods would have been devestated by these mindless thugs, we dont need people like Perry in this town.

Warrington used to be a great place to live before this "chav" culture erupted, and if I'm bieng honest what I said at the start of this post further pushes me on to say he deserves to be in jail, we dont need his sort around here selling drugs and acting Jack the lad.

As a community we need to be tackling the rising problem of anti-social behaviour and drug dealing, we need to keep our streets clean from scum like that so our kids can go and play outside without bieng exposed to drugs and violence on a daily basis.

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Jake55 says...
4:26pm Fri 19 Aug 11

Wow, didn't come back for a few days. It seemed the lynch mob continued. As a point of fact, I am not religious myself, I was simply trying to remind you all that there are moral frameworks besides liberalism in which giving young men 4 year jail terms for facebook pages that caused no harm might seem unreasonable.

Oh well. There is another England. Yours is not mine, and mine lives on too, even when drowned out by the shrieking of the morally upright such as yourselves.

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Jake55 says...
4:27pm Fri 19 Aug 11

I wonder if this might interest anyone - something about what many of us share with rioters: http://withtheresist
ance.com/me-and-the-
rioters/

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Cleopatra says...
4:31pm Fri 19 Aug 11

C'est la vie!

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old-codger says...
6:23pm Fri 19 Aug 11

Religeon has caused more wars than the tory,s. What Jesus said wasnt in relation to inciting violence or the selling of drugs on our streets..Thou shalt not incite violence. Thou shalt not sell drugs. Thou shalt pay the penalty and never sin again..

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Freeborn John says...
1:01pm Sun 21 Aug 11

When you consider that in Warrington you can put a complete stranger in hospital just for the fun of it and not get put in jail, well, something stinks when someone gets four years just for being a half wit...

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Crunchy Frog says...
4:08pm Tue 23 Aug 11

Sic Sac wrote:
That is complete crap. I don't agree with inciting riots, but to jail him for 4 YEARS!? He shouldn't receive ANY punishment at all since he didn't do anything!! He used his freedom of speech to tell others to riot, there's no proof he did any rioting himself. This kind of treatment of citizens is similar to what China would do and it's completely unacceptable.
Go tell that to Karl Wanstall why don't you?!

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old-codger says...
9:33am Wed 24 Aug 11

Sic Sac wrote:
That is complete crap. I don't agree with inciting riots, but to jail him for 4 YEARS!? He shouldn't receive ANY punishment at all since he didn't do anything!! He used his freedom of speech to tell others to riot, there's no proof he did any rioting himself. This kind of treatment of citizens is similar to what China would do and it's completely unacceptable. This logic tells me if I tell someone to murder someone I am not to blame.. ???. I dont think sic sac has got a grip on life.

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old-codger says...
9:34am Wed 24 Aug 11

Sic Sac wrote:
That is complete crap. I don't agree with inciting riots, but to jail him for 4 YEARS!? He shouldn't receive ANY punishment at all since he didn't do anything!! He used his freedom of speech to tell others to riot, there's no proof he did any rioting himself. This kind of treatment of citizens is similar to what China would do and it's completely unacceptable. This logic tells me if I tell someone to murder someone I am not to blame.. ???. I dont think sic sac has got a grip on life.

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dustjunkie says...
10:23am Thu 25 Aug 11

My friend had to put up with living next door to this scrote for over a year, I say this is karma for the **** he had to put up with.He deserves more than 4 years.

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basil-brush says...
11:19pm Sun 28 Aug 11

I have seen this young man on numerous occasions walking about with his gangsta swagga like the big pathetic waste of tax payers money he is,
people like this serve one purpose in life and that is to cause as much trouble to innocent people, he will find his real purpose in life/jail (in the shower)
The justice system in this country is a joke I think 4 years is the right term for this kind of offence its an insult when someone only gets 7 years for murder.
Ps see you in 4 years sweet cheeks x

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Sic Sac says...
1:25am Fri 2 Sep 11

old-codger wrote:
Sic Sac wrote:
That is complete crap. I don't agree with inciting riots, but to jail him for 4 YEARS!? He shouldn't receive ANY punishment at all since he didn't do anything!! He used his freedom of speech to tell others to riot, there's no proof he did any rioting himself. This kind of treatment of citizens is similar to what China would do and it's completely unacceptable. This logic tells me if I tell someone to murder someone I am not to blame.. ???. I dont think sic sac has got a grip on life.
OF COURSE you're not to blame!! If you told someone to murder somebody else and they actually did it, why would you be the one in trouble? You didn't commit the crime so you should not be punished for it. If I tell people to smoke weed and they do should I be jailed for that too?

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