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Bishop says he forgives arsonists

11:00am Thursday 11th October 2007

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BISHOP Jared Ireland says he forgives the arsonists who torched his Runcorn church - even though it will now have to be demolished.

"I personally don't hold any bad feelings about anyone," said Bishop Ireland, of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Clifton Road.

My hope is that they will recognise what they have done and want to change

Bishop Jared Ireland

"I can forgive them, that's no problem.

"The Saviour taught when people do things wrong, they can always make up for it. My hope is that they will recognise what they have done and want to change."

Flames leapt through the tiles of the single-storey building when firefighters arrived, at 4am on Sunday.

Halton's community safety manager, Alan Briggs, who is leading the forensic investigation, said: "We were unable to stop the fire spreading from the annexe to the roof.

"It caught the eves of the gable end of the main building and spread through. There was a total collapse of both roofs within an hour.

"One of the reasons we couldn't fight the fire from inside was because of the risk of collapse.

"It's an absolute shame a place of worship has suffered this loss."

Five fire engines, a hydraulic platform and command and control unit were drafted in as firefighters fought to bring the inferno under control.

The 27-year-old church was closed for renovation and due to re-open in February.

The 140-strong congregation is meeting at The Heath conference centre.

"One thing that has touched me and many members is the outpouring of sympathy by many people who live in the area," said dad-of-five, Bishop Ireland, who remembers carrying tiles and bricks to help his dad and volunteers build the church.

"Although people are a bit sad and upset about it being burnt, I can see a lot of good coming out of it. I want to express my appreciation for the magnificent efforts of the fire crews.

"They were so helpful and understanding, I could not fault them."

Det Con Rob McLoughlin, said: "Our teams are carrying out an extensive forensic investigation. We are appealing for witnesses."

Anyone with information can call 01244 614975 or Crimestoppers, anonymously, on 0800 555 111.


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Mr T, Runcorn says...
10:08am Fri 12 Oct 07

Whats the betting this church doesnt get re-built and the land is sold for housing? The church is in a prime housing location, with a lot of land to the rear.

Mr T, Runcorn says...
10:08am Fri 12 Oct 07

Whats the betting this church doesnt get re-built and the land is sold for housing? The church is in a prime housing location, with a lot of land to the rear.

Mr T, Runcorn says...
10:08am Fri 12 Oct 07

Whats the betting this church doesnt get re-built and the land is sold for housing? The church is in a prime housing location, with a lot of land to the rear.

Mr T, Runcorn says...
10:08am Fri 12 Oct 07

Whats the betting this church doesnt get re-built and the land is sold for housing? The church is in a prime housing location, with a lot of land to the rear.

BrumBrums, Runcorn says...
6:10pm Sat 13 Oct 07

It really infuriates me when you get pompous people like this Bishop saying that they forgive the disgusting, vile, sick scumbags that set fire to the church.

Does he not stop & think about the safety of the fire-fighters who had to extinguish the fire?

Does he not think about the cost of rebuilding & the cost of the emergency services?

Does he not think about the pain & anguish of his congregation?

What these perpetrators need is a good old fashioned kick up the a*r*s, several months in prison & a good dose of repaying the costs inflicted by there disgraceful actions& not a shake of the hand and a thank you from Mr Bishop.

BrumBrums, Runcorn says...
6:10pm Sat 13 Oct 07

It really infuriates me when you get pompous people like this Bishop saying that they forgive the disgusting, vile, sick scumbags that set fire to the church.

Does he not stop & think about the safety of the fire-fighters who had to extinguish the fire?

Does he not think about the cost of rebuilding & the cost of the emergency services?

Does he not think about the pain & anguish of his congregation?

What these perpetrators need is a good old fashioned kick up the a*r*s, several months in prison & a good dose of repaying the costs inflicted by there disgraceful actions& not a shake of the hand and a thank you from Mr Bishop.

BrumBrums, Runcorn says...
6:10pm Sat 13 Oct 07

It really infuriates me when you get pompous people like this Bishop saying that they forgive the disgusting, vile, sick scumbags that set fire to the church.

Does he not stop & think about the safety of the fire-fighters who had to extinguish the fire?

Does he not think about the cost of rebuilding & the cost of the emergency services?

Does he not think about the pain & anguish of his congregation?

What these perpetrators need is a good old fashioned kick up the a*r*s, several months in prison & a good dose of repaying the costs inflicted by there disgraceful actions& not a shake of the hand and a thank you from Mr Bishop.

BrumBrums, Runcorn says...
6:10pm Sat 13 Oct 07

It really infuriates me when you get pompous people like this Bishop saying that they forgive the disgusting, vile, sick scumbags that set fire to the church.

Does he not stop & think about the safety of the fire-fighters who had to extinguish the fire?

Does he not think about the cost of rebuilding & the cost of the emergency services?

Does he not think about the pain & anguish of his congregation?

What these perpetrators need is a good old fashioned kick up the a*r*s, several months in prison & a good dose of repaying the costs inflicted by there disgraceful actions& not a shake of the hand and a thank you from Mr Bishop.

John James, US says...
6:57pm Sat 13 Oct 07

My guess is it will be rebuilt.
Churches of other faiths have been torched and rebuilt.
The bible says "vengeance is mine" Romans 12:19.
:21 "Overcome evil with good"
Remember HE is in charge here.
This news item clarifies that the complete church was burned, thank you for the clarification.
I'm sorry for the congregation, they must be sick about it.

John James, US says...
6:57pm Sat 13 Oct 07

My guess is it will be rebuilt.
Churches of other faiths have been torched and rebuilt.
The bible says "vengeance is mine" Romans 12:19.
:21 "Overcome evil with good"
Remember HE is in charge here.
This news item clarifies that the complete church was burned, thank you for the clarification.
I'm sorry for the congregation, they must be sick about it.

John James, US says...
6:57pm Sat 13 Oct 07

My guess is it will be rebuilt.
Churches of other faiths have been torched and rebuilt.
The bible says "vengeance is mine" Romans 12:19.
:21 "Overcome evil with good"
Remember HE is in charge here.
This news item clarifies that the complete church was burned, thank you for the clarification.
I'm sorry for the congregation, they must be sick about it.

John James, US says...
6:57pm Sat 13 Oct 07

My guess is it will be rebuilt.
Churches of other faiths have been torched and rebuilt.
The bible says "vengeance is mine" Romans 12:19.
:21 "Overcome evil with good"
Remember HE is in charge here.
This news item clarifies that the complete church was burned, thank you for the clarification.
I'm sorry for the congregation, they must be sick about it.

AJM, Birmingham, UK says...
8:42pm Sun 14 Oct 07

When your Church has just been torched, the last thing you need is for BrumBrums to call you pompous! But that's life!
Jesus Christ, as he hung on the cross, mocked by a jeering multitude, prayed to His Father, "Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do."
(New Testament | Luke 23:34)
Let's hope that the Church is rebuilt soon and the Gospel of Peace, as exemplified by Jesus Christ, will be taught there again.
BrumBrums, people can change!

AJM, Birmingham, UK says...
8:42pm Sun 14 Oct 07

When your Church has just been torched, the last thing you need is for BrumBrums to call you pompous! But that's life!
Jesus Christ, as he hung on the cross, mocked by a jeering multitude, prayed to His Father, "Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do."
(New Testament | Luke 23:34)
Let's hope that the Church is rebuilt soon and the Gospel of Peace, as exemplified by Jesus Christ, will be taught there again.
BrumBrums, people can change!

AJM, Birmingham, UK says...
8:42pm Sun 14 Oct 07

When your Church has just been torched, the last thing you need is for BrumBrums to call you pompous! But that's life!
Jesus Christ, as he hung on the cross, mocked by a jeering multitude, prayed to His Father, "Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do."
(New Testament | Luke 23:34)
Let's hope that the Church is rebuilt soon and the Gospel of Peace, as exemplified by Jesus Christ, will be taught there again.
BrumBrums, people can change!

AJM, Birmingham, UK says...
8:42pm Sun 14 Oct 07

When your Church has just been torched, the last thing you need is for BrumBrums to call you pompous! But that's life!
Jesus Christ, as he hung on the cross, mocked by a jeering multitude, prayed to His Father, "Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do."
(New Testament | Luke 23:34)
Let's hope that the Church is rebuilt soon and the Gospel of Peace, as exemplified by Jesus Christ, will be taught there again.
BrumBrums, people can change!

BrumBrums, Runcorn says...
12:29pm Mon 15 Oct 07

It's very true people can change, however I’m a firm believer that when somebody DELIBRATLY does something wrong and endangers LIFE then they should be punished for there actions and not be given forgiveness, forgiveness should only be given once the criminals have shown remorse & proved they are reformed characters.

Do you honestly believe that those responsible are going to show considerable remorse for there actions?

Do you honestly believe that those responsible will stand up in front of the congregation and apologise to all the hard working, fund raising members?

Do you honestly believe that those responsible will happily pay back one penny of the cost of there destruction?

Do you honestly believe that those responsible will be organising or even contributing to the fund racing efforts to rebuild the church that they DELIBRETLY destroyed?

The perpetrators of this disgraceful act should be punished so they realise that there actions were not only wrong but also endangered peoples lives, isn't it LIFE that is sacred?

BrumBrums, Runcorn says...
12:29pm Mon 15 Oct 07

It's very true people can change, however IÂ’m a firm believer that when somebody DELIBRATLY does something wrong and endangers LIFE then they should be punished for there actions and not be given forgiveness, forgiveness should only be given once the criminals have shown remorse & proved they are reformed characters.

Do you honestly believe that those responsible are going to show considerable remorse for there actions?

Do you honestly believe that those responsible will stand up in front of the congregation and apologise to all the hard working, fund raising members?

Do you honestly believe that those responsible will happily pay back one penny of the cost of there destruction?

Do you honestly believe that those responsible will be organising or even contributing to the fund racing efforts to rebuild the church that they DELIBRETLY destroyed?

The perpetrators of this disgraceful act should be punished so they realise that there actions were not only wrong but also endangered peoples lives, isn't it LIFE that is sacred?

BrumBrums, Runcorn says...
12:29pm Mon 15 Oct 07

It's very true people can change, however IÂ’m a firm believer that when somebody DELIBRATLY does something wrong and endangers LIFE then they should be punished for there actions and not be given forgiveness, forgiveness should only be given once the criminals have shown remorse & proved they are reformed characters.

Do you honestly believe that those responsible are going to show considerable remorse for there actions?

Do you honestly believe that those responsible will stand up in front of the congregation and apologise to all the hard working, fund raising members?

Do you honestly believe that those responsible will happily pay back one penny of the cost of there destruction?

Do you honestly believe that those responsible will be organising or even contributing to the fund racing efforts to rebuild the church that they DELIBRETLY destroyed?

The perpetrators of this disgraceful act should be punished so they realise that there actions were not only wrong but also endangered peoples lives, isn't it LIFE that is sacred?

BrumBrums, Runcorn says...
12:29pm Mon 15 Oct 07

It's very true people can change, however IÂ’m a firm believer that when somebody DELIBRATLY does something wrong and endangers LIFE then they should be punished for there actions and not be given forgiveness, forgiveness should only be given once the criminals have shown remorse & proved they are reformed characters.

Do you honestly believe that those responsible are going to show considerable remorse for there actions?

Do you honestly believe that those responsible will stand up in front of the congregation and apologise to all the hard working, fund raising members?

Do you honestly believe that those responsible will happily pay back one penny of the cost of there destruction?

Do you honestly believe that those responsible will be organising or even contributing to the fund racing efforts to rebuild the church that they DELIBRETLY destroyed?

The perpetrators of this disgraceful act should be punished so they realise that there actions were not only wrong but also endangered peoples lives, isn't it LIFE that is sacred?

John Ashton, Warrington says...
3:52pm Tue 16 Oct 07

Brum-Brums I couldn’t agree more. All these namby-pamby’s make me sick.

“If you cant do the time, don’t do the crime”

John Ashton
(Church goer for 57 years”

John Ashton, Warrington says...
3:52pm Tue 16 Oct 07

Brum-Brums I couldnÂ’t agree more. All these namby-pambyÂ’s make me sick.

“If you cant do the time, don’t do the crime”

John Ashton
(Church goer for 57 years”

John Ashton, Warrington says...
3:52pm Tue 16 Oct 07

Brum-Brums I couldnÂ’t agree more. All these namby-pambyÂ’s make me sick.

“If you cant do the time, don’t do the crime”

John Ashton
(Church goer for 57 years”

John Ashton, Warrington says...
3:52pm Tue 16 Oct 07

Brum-Brums I couldnÂ’t agree more. All these namby-pambyÂ’s make me sick.

“If you cant do the time, don’t do the crime”

John Ashton
(Church goer for 57 years”

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Bishop Jared Ireland with the gutted remains of his church.

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