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Smokers finally banned

11:54am Sunday 29th July 2007

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THE smoking ban is finally in force in Middlewich more than two weeks after the rest of the country.

A blunder by Congleton Borough Council meant officers could not prosecute anyone found smoking in a public place because they had failed to put the necessary enforcements in place.

Following a meeting of councillors last Wednesday to decide on the new rules the ban is now operating throughout the borough. Despite fears that people might flout the rules and continue to smoke in public places, safe in the knowledge that they could not be fined, punters in Middlewich's pubs have abided by the rules.

Smoking Tracey Bettaney, the borough council's environmental health manager, said: "To be fair, we haven't had anything to suggest that people have been flouting the rules." In addition to enforcing the public smoking ban, the council have now increased the powers of their enforcement officers.

Under the new rules environmental health staff can now issue fines to people for dropping litter and allowing their dogs to foul the streets as well as for smoking in a public place. What do you think of the council's failure to enforce the ban? Let us know on our website middlewichguardian.co.uk


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mahler, Bristol says...
1:15pm Sun 29 Jul 07

More powers to fine people! This is just a revenue generating system that has gone out of control. It threatens to make criminals of everyone, or rather every decent citizen, whilst the real criminals are safe in the knowledge that resources are being wasted on trivia rather than protecting people from violence.
More lives would be saved by giving these environmental health staff a bucket and some disinfectant and sending them into our hospitals to rid them of MRSA.
Prohibiting smoking is not the way forwards, especially when there is no discernable health risk from passive smoking - the HSE say so in OC 255-15 - google it.

mahler, Bristol says...
1:15pm Sun 29 Jul 07

More powers to fine people! This is just a revenue generating system that has gone out of control. It threatens to make criminals of everyone, or rather every decent citizen, whilst the real criminals are safe in the knowledge that resources are being wasted on trivia rather than protecting people from violence.
More lives would be saved by giving these environmental health staff a bucket and some disinfectant and sending them into our hospitals to rid them of MRSA.
Prohibiting smoking is not the way forwards, especially when there is no discernable health risk from passive smoking - the HSE say so in OC 255-15 - google it.

Michael J. McFadden, Philadelphia, PA USA says...
1:19am Mon 30 Jul 07

It's funny that George Orwell was British and that he provided the most popular awareness of the idea of "rewriting history". Up until the smoking bans we didn't see much of this outside of Stalinist Russia, but now it's commonplace. HSE 255-15 becomes "unwritten", the graphics showing the lie to the claims of heart attacks "bouncing back" after smoking bans end disappears from the web, cigarettes are airbrushed from Beatles albums, historical portraits, and even written fiction, and Private Ryan gets "saved" in a World War Two where no one ever smoked on the battlefield!

Smoking bans are based on lies, and laws based on lies are not properly laws at all. Free citizens should feel as much a duty to ignore such laws as they feel to observe laws with proper basis... otherwise the rule of law itself becomes suspect and fragile.

Michael J. McFadden
Author of Dissecting Antismokers' Brains
http://pasan.TheTrut
hIsALie.com

Michael J. McFadden, Philadelphia, PA USA says...
1:19am Mon 30 Jul 07

It's funny that George Orwell was British and that he provided the most popular awareness of the idea of "rewriting history". Up until the smoking bans we didn't see much of this outside of Stalinist Russia, but now it's commonplace. HSE 255-15 becomes "unwritten", the graphics showing the lie to the claims of heart attacks "bouncing back" after smoking bans end disappears from the web, cigarettes are airbrushed from Beatles albums, historical portraits, and even written fiction, and Private Ryan gets "saved" in a World War Two where no one ever smoked on the battlefield!

Smoking bans are based on lies, and laws based on lies are not properly laws at all. Free citizens should feel as much a duty to ignore such laws as they feel to observe laws with proper basis... otherwise the rule of law itself becomes suspect and fragile.

Michael J. McFadden
Author of Dissecting Antismokers' Brains
http://pasan.TheTrut
hIsALie.com

Crusader, Cheshire says...
3:46am Mon 30 Jul 07

George Orwell told the story of the all seeing eye and conformity through regulation. Here, in Britain,we now call it the nanny state. A less fractious way of saying that fiction can easily become fact.

Mahler (bristol) puts a slant on the lost revenue regained by fines. This will not even come close to recouping what will be lost to the treasury over the coming months and years. A public house for instance is historically a meeting place. Ideas, revelry and arguments are generated through these taverns.

This parliament has ripped out the heart of every community in one foul swoop. They have alianated a part of the populace and going to the pub no longer holds any enjoyment.

This then has a knock on effect in the loss of revenue. To recoup this the government must raise the taxes on booze. This will in turn alianate even more of the populace.

Consequently even more revenue will be lost. Pubs will close, jobs and liveklhoods will be lost and the heart of any village, town or city will be split.

Alarmist rubbish you say and you may be right but this ban has been introduced to stop the smoker being a burden on the NHS. The smoker, by the way, pays twice for the NHS via national insurance and the outragous amount of tax on his habit.

Drinkers and obese people be aware. You are next. Mark my words by George.

Crusader, Cheshire says...
3:46am Mon 30 Jul 07

George Orwell told the story of the all seeing eye and conformity through regulation. Here, in Britain,we now call it the nanny state. A less fractious way of saying that fiction can easily become fact.

Mahler (bristol) puts a slant on the lost revenue regained by fines. This will not even come close to recouping what will be lost to the treasury over the coming months and years. A public house for instance is historically a meeting place. Ideas, revelry and arguments are generated through these taverns.

This parliament has ripped out the heart of every community in one foul swoop. They have alianated a part of the populace and going to the pub no longer holds any enjoyment.

This then has a knock on effect in the loss of revenue. To recoup this the government must raise the taxes on booze. This will in turn alianate even more of the populace.

Consequently even more revenue will be lost. Pubs will close, jobs and liveklhoods will be lost and the heart of any village, town or city will be split.

Alarmist rubbish you say and you may be right but this ban has been introduced to stop the smoker being a burden on the NHS. The smoker, by the way, pays twice for the NHS via national insurance and the outragous amount of tax on his habit.

Drinkers and obese people be aware. You are next. Mark my words by George.

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